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I promise you Love them or hate them the DTG represents the little guy the professional side that strives to raise the bar. Strives for higher prices.

I've kept quiet for a very long time but so many from the NADL have been making unprovoked attacks.

IMO it's best to let this RIP and everybody move on or it will get interesting with possible unintended consequence.
 
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I'm not to good at keeping up with that side of our industry, and to my own fault, but how do you hear of these things, Al? From being out there in the lecture circuit (hope you have a good lecture in Chicago) and hearing what's going on, from visiting others labs, from your state lab association?

In Minn we do have to disclose where are restorations were made, as in if they were outsourced outside the US.
 
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I promise you Love them or hate them the DTG represents the little guy the professional side that strives to raise the bar. Strives for higher prices.

I've kept quiet for a very long time but so many from the NADL have been making unprovoked attacks.

IMO it's best to let this RIP and everybody move on or it will get interesting with possible unintended consequence.
DTG may be a informative place to gather with other skilled techs, that's great. I have no opinion either way about the DTG. My problem is the use of DTG as a credential. It just makes us look like a confused bunch of airheads who want to look important by putting a bunch of letters behind our name that have no meaning.
You saying to let this rest in peace is another problem, if things don't get talked about how is anything going to change? We need real advocates who are not afraid to talk about the issues. But we are too splintered and fractured to ever organize against the machine.
 
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As much as I appreciate what DTG is doing, the qualifications for getting in the "guild" are what exactly... submitting your non standardized pics to a facebook group for evalution by existing members? A dentist buddy of mine got asked to join simply because he lectures around the globe and has +2k friends on FB. He's not even a tech.

Edit: I mean I guess I can't get too mad at DTG. Initially the idea was to similar to this, create a forum where like minded techs could share info and boost each other up. That was when the guild only had 100 members or so... now they have an official sub fb group of "affiliates" vying for acceptance with about 3,500 joined. And I get it, and I agree that the little guys need to have each others back, but if they're going to flaunt a FB group after their credentials they need to step up the bar for acceptance.
 
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I hear some of the townies are using DT after their name now Laugh .. no not really.
 
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I promise you Love them or hate them the DTG represents the little guy the professional side that strives to raise the bar. Strives for higher prices.

I've kept quiet for a very long time but so many from the NADL have been making unprovoked attacks.

IMO it's best to let this RIP and everybody move on or it will get interesting with possible unintended consequence.

Al, why do you spend time here with these guys? You think you will change their minds? It's natural to fear whats coming. Let them all talk.. When they fall off like dead limbs who will be left? That is what I am interested in- Not a bunch of cynics hanging out in a dying forum with no passion, and no future. We will do what we do, they will do what they do. What is sad is, we could all do this together, but people just want to waste time, sit back and talk about things they know nothing about. If they really wanted to know they would research it, (not hard) and make an assessment, then talk. So far, I have not heard a truthful thing about DTG in any of these comments. Everyone wants to have an opinion, without the facts. That is called FEAR. We will see what happens in the end. No need to talk. Spend less time here Al.. No sense getting the life sucked out of you.
 
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OH NO run for your life, the BIG BAD DTG is ON IT!!!


Unintentional, not unintended. But you can stack porcelain. See how DTG gang gets all worked up when you point out some facts to them? You have to earn a CDT. To be part of the DTG all you need is love. All you need is love. And have a fair camera.
 
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Al, why do you spend time here with these guys? You think you will change their minds? It's natural to fear whats coming. Let them all talk.. When they fall off like dead limbs who will be left? That is what I am interested in- Not a bunch of cynics hanging out in a dying forum with no passion, and no future. We will do what we do, they will do what they do. What is sad is, we could all do this together, but people just want to waste time, sit back and talk about things they know nothing about. If they really wanted to know they would research it, (not hard) and make an assessment, then talk. So far, I have not heard a truthful thing about DTG in any of these comments. Everyone wants to have an opinion, without the facts. That is called FEAR. We will see what happens in the end. No need to talk. Spend less time here Al.. No sense getting the life sucked out of you.



Then stop putting DTG behind your name like it means something. Believe me, in the big picture of this industry it doesn't matter and you are deluded if you or anyone else thinks you can change anything. These groups come and go an always will. If you knew the history behind the DLN and where it came from starting about 20 years ago you wouldn't have the attitude. A dying forum? You have a lot to learn young man.
 
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Dying forum with no passion and no future? I can agree that everyone wants an opinion without any facts. At least this forum allows everyones opinions. Its not a strokefest.
 
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Then stop putting DTG behind your name like it means something. Believe me, in the big picture of this industry it doesn't matter and you are deluded if you or anyone else thinks you can change anything. These groups come and go an always will. If you the history behind the DLN and where it came from starting about 20 years ago you wouldn't have the attitude. A dying forum? You have a ways to go young man.


I don't need your permission to do anything, thank you. I have been in this business for 20 years. You know nothing about me. But I know lots about you. You have shown all of your cards.. and, it looks like a **** hand. Change is already here. If you don't want to see it, That your choice. Still YAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNing. A dying forum indeed, old man. Havent you heard? They created something bigger and better called Facebook. And everyones going there to escape you and all of your negativity. Wake up.
 
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As much as I appreciate what DTG is doing, the qualifications for getting in the "guild" are what exactly... submitting your non standardized pics to a facebook group for evalution by existing members? A dentist buddy of mine got asked to join simply because he lectures around the globe and has +2k friends on FB. He's not even a tech.

Edit: I mean I guess I can't get too mad at DTG. Initially the idea was to similar to this, create a forum where like minded techs could share info and boost each other up. That was when the guild only had 100 members or so... now they have an official sub fb group of "affiliates" vying for acceptance with about 3,500 joined. And I get it, and I agree that the little guys need to have each others back, but if they're going to flaunt a FB group after their credentials they need to step up the bar for acceptance.

I agree with what you are saying. See, your comment is constructive. You are someone I am willing to engage with. There is currently a process being made ready. But right now, it is just gathering all of the like minded techs together. The credentials sure mean something to each one of us, that is why we use them. It is not intended to make anyone feel bad. If you want a true fact, here is one:I will let any person interested in this cause into the Affiliates. The only cost is to participate, share and try to better the profession. I do not know this dentist buddy of yours, but I assure you he did not get in because he has friends. Its because he agreed to the terms of the group. You don't have to be a tech. How can we better things without involving like minded dentists?
 
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I don't need your permission to do anything, thank you. I have been in this business for 20 years. You know nothing about me. But I know lots about you. You have shown all of your cards.. and, it looks like a **** hand. Change is already here. If you don't want to see it, That your choice. Still YAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNing. A dying forum indeed, old man. Havent you heard? They created something bigger and better called Facebook. And everyones going there to escape you and all of your negativity. Wake up.
You have helped me form an opinion. Thank you.
 
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You have helped me form an opinion. Thank you.

There was no helping you. You can't see through your pride and your ego to have an opinion. Do you read your own posts?
All the rotten things you say?? For what? To bring others down? Al is here trying to talk about real issues, that you SHOULD care about, and you just trash him over and over again? You and 5 or 6 other guys? Great forum, Ill be sure to invite all my friends.
 
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Dying forum with no passion and no future? I can agree that everyone wants an opinion without any facts. At least this forum allows everyones opinions. Its not a strokefest.

Oh, but it IS a strokefest!! The biggest one I have ever seen! Sure you can have an opinion, but it must include bashing others, and negativity, and cynicism... Well, here I am to join the fun.
 
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I dont think anyone here ever trashed Al, in fact he is as beloved here as on FB. This thread was about adding letters after your name.
 
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I agree with what you are saying. See, your comment is constructive. You are someone I am willing to engage with. There is currently a process being made ready. But right now, it is just gathering all of the like minded techs together. The credentials sure mean something to each one of us, that is why we use them. It is not intended to make anyone feel bad. If you want a true fact, here is one:I will let any person interested in this cause into the Affiliates. The only cost is to participate, share and try to better the profession. I do not know this dentist buddy of yours, but I assure you he did not get in because he has friends. Its because he agreed to the terms of the group. You don't have to be a tech. How can we better things without involving like minded dentists?


Perhaps I was doing him an injustice. He is without question the kind of doc you want to work for in every capacity, and he gets it. His invite was also early in the game (3 or so years ago) when it was more of a small group. Either way I very much look forward to seeing the process for joining when it does come out until then I'm content with looking at all that juicy dental porn in my fb feed.
 
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Are we done??
I dont think anyone here ever trashed Al, in fact he is as beloved here as on FB. This thread was about adding letters after your name.

You are making fun of what he stands for.. So what if he says he is DTG?? Why don't you all go about your business? If we are not going to change anything, why does it concern you guys? Doesn't sound like he is beloved to me. This is how you treat your beloved?
I do not understand.
 
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There was no helping you. You can't see through your pride and your ego to have an opinion. Do you read your own posts?
All the rotten things you say?? For what? To bring others down? Al is here trying to talk about real issues, that you SHOULD care about, and you just trash him over and over again? You and 5 or 6 other guys? Great forum, Ill be sure to invite all my friends.
I have said nothing negative about al, you or anyone else. My point, still valid, is DTG is of no accredited credential. The only entity I singled out was the IDT magazine for perpetrating the falicy that DTG is a credential. The only recognized certification is through the national board of certification in dental lab technology. Maybe in the future if you can get enough money and lobbyists on your side then maybe it will mean something besides the hardon you get for yourself. You and yours came on this forum on a defensive and not constructive manner. Perhaps you had to start your group cause you couldn't pass the tests to become certified. It's not us that's fracturing our industry it is you with your silly fake credentials.
 
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I have said nothing negative about al, you or anyone else. My point, still valid, is DTG is of no accredited credential. The only entity I singled out was the IDT magazine for perpetrating the falicy that DTG is a credential. The only recognized certification is through the national board of certification in dental lab technology. Maybe in the future if you can get enough money and lobbyists on your side then maybe it will mean something besides the hardon you get for yourself. You and yours came on this forum on a defensive and not constructive manner. Perhaps you had to start your group cause you couldn't pass the tests to become certified. It's not us that's fracturing our industry it is you with your silly fake credentials.

Whats a credential? If enough people call you a jack%$&, which Im sure you have, it means you have mastered being one. (which Im also sure you have) Now you are Juko, JA... Who am I to challenge that? I shall not, and I will not.

Its a credential to us, and thats all that matters. I don't need Lobbying, and I don't need anyones MONEY. You can continue on like a sheep and pay money into something so you can feel important.

I came on this forum to defend a friend. Have you ever done that? Try it instead of being a coward.
Ps I have take the tests JA, and guess what? Never went back for the hands on because I didn't see anything on the tests past the age of 1975. Thats what you have backing your "credentials'??

Way to push the industry.
 
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OH NO run for your life, the BIG BAD DTG is ON IT!!!


Unintentional, not unintended. But you can stack porcelain. See how DTG gang gets all worked up when you point out some facts to them? You have to earn a CDT. To be part of the DTG all you need is love. All you need is love. And have a fair camera.
The CDT program is really meaningless anymore IMO because the quality of work is very poor.
I'm sure you looked through the latest issue of JDT.
It is embarrassing.
You represent the commodity side.
The producers of equivent of beans.

You abandoned the quality and professional side you represent the industrial side.

The one driving the prices and quality down.
CDT program is just a bare minimum of mostly head knowledge but little hands in skills and IMO the NADL and CDT program is dying.
I am seeing so many shows dying that manufactors are rethinking returning.
 
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