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heres Lee Cain demoing 3shape implant bridge
First off - why the heck did you make that frame? Would have been much more simple to go full zirconia with ti bases. Jus' sayin'...
I don't recall asking you to write a step by step, I wouldn't write one either. Certainly the responsibility is on the end user and whom ever they have a contract with for support. Obviously their reseller support is pretty lame. What I take issue with is the comment "we do, it just doesn't fly out of our mouths". I doubt you, me or anyone else here learned every single thing we know about this crazy business on their own. " Call your reseller", seems to be the motto of 3Shape users here, heard it many times. Certainly we are not obligated to do sh!t to forward this industry. Let's all keep everyone relying on corporate to steer this ship.
Anyone here think you know something about what you are doing, mentor someone who truely wants to learn. You will help them and you will learn exponentially more and you are contributing to the future advancement of dental technology. Sometimes all it takes is putting the right jigsaw piece in the right place in someone's mind. The OP is obviously not a noob to CAD and can probably figure out some of the basic functions on their own in short time, throw 'em a bone.
If you know how to do it then why don't you help the poor guy out instead of bashing us for not giving him what you see to be the proper guidance?
Just saying
I would if I were as versed on 3shape as some of you guys. If the guy went with exo I would be of more use.
I am not implying that you don't help anyone here even though my post does seem pointed at you. You are like the 3Shape exterminator around here working out bugs. lol
The OP didn't ask for a step by step and has experience with other CAD programs, so not a noob trying to fly before crawling. Simple things like what Luke posted points people
into the right direction. Thanks for the explanation of how things work in a lab.
I hear you buddy, but in today's lab world google and you tube are your best friends, why the OP didn't even bother to search as well and say that he did beats me, I do everything in my power to find out what I can then if i'm stumped i reach out and ask for a lending hand, which I have no issues with. With what experience he has on other cad system he should be able to figure out stuff fairly easy if his words are true. These are complex cases and even the best of the best run into issues. I give him props on trying to ski a double black diamond on his first run, but it all comes down to the principle of things in the end.
Let's all just agree to move on and not bicker back and forth. im all for that.
we still have yet to hear from OP. maybe he will have more information or some updates.
To answer, this is an old frame, one used in a study I had laying around. I just waxed some teeth on some base plate wax. I thought a titanium frame with zirconium teeth and gingival would be pretty strong...First off - why the heck did you make that frame? Would have been much more simple to go full zirconia with ti bases. Jus' sayin'...
which post is missing an image for you sevan
To answer, this is an old frame, one used in a study I had laying around. I just waxed some teeth on some base plate wax. I thought a titanium frame with zirconium teeth and gingival would be pretty strong...
Zirconium bar utilizing Ti bases? Maybe, I'm kind of a belt and suspenders guy. I've been in this industry since 1984 and I have seen a lot of things come and go. I tend to over engineer things. I have colleagues that have had to re-cement the ti bases to the zirconium bar several times. I think this design would be an easy way to get what I want. After learning to use the tools in the software and I think this would be a very strong restoration. I mean it should not be that difficult of a thing to do, copy the wax up and mill an stl file of the copy.
We have been doing this kind of case utilizing a metal frame with denture teeth and acrylic base for about 36 years. Starting with waxing up a frame, casting it, cut, soldered, cut and soldered etc... Then we started scanning the cast, designing and having titanium frames milled, which fit great but still using denture teeth and acrylic. They are great but the teeth do not last. The teeth usually need to be replaced every 5 years or so and teeth will break off regularly. These are very expensive and patients expect them to last.
Go to the rep for training? OK why not just add this addendum to your site... "Only ask a question here after you have been to the vendor you bought your system from and have spent at least___ hours working on "said question" on your own" Why not just get it over with and say "Prepare to be assimilated, resistance is futile". If I stayed in the lines there is no way I would be where I am today. I find you need to push these systems to do what you need them to do. And I thought there may be someone out there that would give a hint or two. I never asked for a paint by numbers plan I just asked "what module would you use?"
Why don't you start with more basic cases? We are, and I have, but seriously, 90% of the cases we do are implant retained cases.We purchased the system in December, I went to Troy Mi. for training in Feb and we have just gotten our system up and running now. It sucks but I have no time machine to go back and change things up until now. I have spent the last 2 days with the vendor milling tech, in house getting our mill all setup. So now we are really on line now and ready to go. I asked during the training about these types of advanced cases and have been told that is an advanced case you will need to work up to that. I understand.
I may be new to 3 shape but I have been in the rodeo for a while. I started out using a Nobel Biocare Mod 40 scanning dies to make zirconium copings then we got a Forte scanner and we started designing bars. Those original bars were being sold by Nobel to stack porcelain on. How many of you guys are stacking porcelain on titanium? I didn't think so. They did not recommend, or even tell us it could be done when we started making CP Titanium bars and putting denture teeth and acrylic on them, that was our idea. Then along comes a thing called "All on 4"/none on 3, and a practice called "Clear Choice dental" I am not asking for your secrets. It seems if someone is willing to buy it, they will make it. I find that relying on "The vendor" to tell me how to do this stuff is a good source, but not necessarily the only source to be used.
I never asked anyone to spoon feed me this stuff, all I asked is what module would you use. It seems like everything I try to do, the software tells me "you cant do that". I mean, I bought the custom abutment module and by the time we got it the FDA has shut down the ability to use most of the module in the USA. I am sure most of you guys are sitting on a pre 2015 version of the software that would allow in-house milling. If you don't think a small group of guys are trying to take over this industry you are very naive.
I am a CDT, I am a graduate of Lab school, I am a graduate from specialized maxilofacial prosthetic training. I have been working with implants since 1984. I have helped others learn and I have learned from others. From the other posts I have seen in this thread I am not the only one looking to learn this skill. When I do learn this I will let you guys know.
................I asked during the training about these types of advanced cases and have been told that is an advanced case you will need to work up to that..........