Glidewell Launches Obsidian

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Cerestore was first.Dicor was going to do away with porc. to metal by the year 1995. Ins. companies will eventually only compensate the Dr. for what goes in the mouth. I am still using High Noble metal because its a wash to them. I offer to them a lower price alloy but they don't want it. Ins. pays more for H.N. verses Non Prec. I did a five unit full z bridge for a guy a couple weeks ago. I showed it to a couple young Drs. I do some work for. They commented on how well it looked. I told him it made a nice looking temp. and that ten years ago any tech. worth his own salt would still be laughing at how it looked let alone put it in the mouth. There will always be a market for a nice crown at a fair price that comes with descent customer service.
 
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Works here too, insurance or the patient get the bill. Crown prices are 5x higher than the US also.

Is this from lack of competition? Please explain. Is this 5 times higher price coming out of your customers wallet or the patients? Does the patient know they are paying this sort of an up charge so you have a job?
 
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'The pt. gets the bill' pretty much means they pay whatever the lab charges. This is a tarif set by the feds in association with lab and dentist groups, and there is a list of everything you can charge associated with the work youve done. Model, sawing model, base for model, die trim, etc. all have a code and a set price. Insurance pays the tariff, if you dont have insurance, you pay the tariff. Has nothing to do with competition, this is how socialism works.

And its not an upcharge, its Switzerland. Its like disney, only more expensive.

Just because its more than the states or china doesnt mean its an upcharge. Its just THE charge.. No price erosion here, people take pride in mastering their craft and in buying domestic.
 
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Are we sure this will pass sniff test? I had heard they had this stuff a year ago, but infringed on patents from Ivoclar. Similiar to the dye liquids ya'll use for Zr, patents are held by 3M and Weiland just bought the rights to dip color pre-sintered Zr. Just my 2 cents, sounds too good to be true.
 
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They can change the molecular structure and manufacturing process so slightly to get around patents. Notice how they even say Lithium Silicate. I think they are trying to make a disconnect from e.max. I'm sure they would have had a few letters from ivoclar's lawyers but they cant hold it back for too much longer. There are different lithium silicates coming out from a couple of other places as well. They had a good run and i think it will continue quite nicely for them. I cant see them loosing more than 5 percent market share in the next year for LDS.
 
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Sounds to me like glidewell made a boat-load of money selling emax and turned that into R&D to dissect it, alter it and resell it around the patent. Nothing groundbreaking. Walmart figured how to rip coke off too.. Or do you think they came up with Dr. Thunder before Dr Pepper..? Haha

The difference is Ivoclar is the real deal, a world leader. Just because GW hypes a product doesnt make it better or 'must have'. Emax WORKS, it is indistinguishable. Why buy a new product and learn a new system and take a risk? Who on earth would need to press Emax over metal anyway?
 
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They can change the molecular structure and manufacturing process so slightly to get around patents. Notice how they even say Lithium Silicate..

I want my extra silicate in my crowns! One is not enough!
 
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Very well said! I would add to this that for all the labs that supported GW with buying his Bruxzir also contributed to the R&D budget for this new GW offering. Any lab still offering Bruxzir should run immediately elsewhere. A good friend of mine who manages a lab in the ndx network of labs that happens to offer GW's Bruxzir and he is really troubled with this.

BTW, I have not seen anywhere that this material can be pressed over metal. Please pass on any info here, as I would be interested to see the CTE and technique.

Sounds to me like glidewell made a boat-load of money selling emax and turned that into R&D to dissect it, alter it and resell it around the patent. Nothing groundbreaking. Walmart figured how to rip coke off too.. Or do you think they came up with Dr. Thunder before Dr Pepper..? Haha

The difference is Ivoclar is the real deal, a world leader. Just because GW hypes a product doesnt make it better or 'must have'. Emax WORKS, it is indistinguishable. Why buy a new product and learn a new system and take a risk? Who on earth would need to press Emax over metal anyway?
 
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You will have to talk to Mark Jackson or GW direct about pressing over metal.
 
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Mark Jackson: The pressing temperature is almost 100c lower. Germanium oxide, even in small amounts offers superior optical qualities, which is why it's used in lasers and fiber optics. Oh, and you can press it to metal too! Try that with emax.


Press it to metal? Why?!
 
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Mark Jackson: The pressing temperature is almost 100c lower. Germanium oxide, even in small amounts offers superior optical qualities, which is why it's used in lasers and fiber optics. Oh, and you can press it to metal too! Try that with emax.


Press it to metal? Why?!
 
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