Crozat powered by IPC

Teofil · 07-14-2008, 03:57 PM

Hello, here's my new toy

This is an experiment...again. As you can see it's an hybrid appliance that utilizes the Inman Power Component to generate expansion force.
@ Don : Thank you for the IPC's!!!

This is not for an actual patient, it's done for demonstration purposes and practice. I hope some of my doctors will like it enough to try them.
The Crozat book I got from Mike was very helpful, thanks MIKE!!!

I would appreciate some ideas to make it better
The wire I used was regular,much cheaper to practice with

I had no 1,3 mm wire for the palatal arch wire, so I used 1mm except for the poorly manufactured Jackson crib

The idea is to have an appliance that is comfortable to wear compared to standard acrylic plate. With non compliant patients it can be baned using occlusal rests on first molars and first bicuspids.
The buccal arm is there because I had an idea to derotate second incisors using NiTi powered labial bow when enough space gained.
The photos were taken by phone camera... sorry

Inman Labs · 07-14-2008, 08:55 PM

Very interesting design and Wow your work is good!
Your solder work is fantastic, you would be unstoppable with a laser welder.
Don

Teofil · 07-15-2008, 12:46 PM

THANKS DON! Compliment from technician experienced like you it means a lot.

When I am good enough I'll come knocking for an job

lol
I Laser welder is wayyyyy to expensive even for my clinic. Maybe if I sell my apartment I could get one

My boss managed to get us this:

It's a electric welder, Master 3000 by Dentaurum. We got additional hand electrodes for tack welding and soldering. I am still waiting for graphite extensions required for soldering. The damage I do while heating wire is to great when using a simple propane burner. With this gadget I can heat only the parts I need to solder, no damage to surrounding wire. It can be used for controlled wire heat treatment. (e.g. with my CrozatIPC appliance I can use tempering to eliminate palatal arch elasticity so IPC would not get any resistance while doing it's thing)
I would like to try the solution Mike is using, oxygen & acytelen welder sounds cool too.

Inman Labs · 07-15-2008, 06:55 PM

The door to my lab would always be open to talent like yours!
It is one think to have skill but to love and work hard on new ideas and strive for perfection sets you apart. I think Mike and Cade have it and probably many more that visit this site might but overall it is rare. I know you are young so I can't wait to see everything you develop while I am still around.

Regards,
Don

trisha · 07-15-2008, 09:44 PM

Wow! Really nice work.
trisha

Teofil · 07-17-2008, 05:42 PM

Thanks Trisha

!

Inman Labs · 07-17-2008, 07:19 PM

Teofil:

Can you take me through the process of Electric Soldering, I have 0 experience with it but I am interested. Please take me step by step, for example do you use Flux....I am guessing no.

Is the unit you use very $$, how great is it for resistant welding?

regards,
Don

Teofil · 07-18-2008, 12:56 PM

Here's some pictures. I tried soldering with Master 3000 for the first time today. I still haven't got graphite extensions so I used the one designed for static welder setup. I am famous for my impatience

I will comment on pictures later, I am off to a party now

P.S. I use flux, thinned with distiled water

labdude · 07-18-2008, 04:00 PM

Nice stuff Teofil.
In my old age I have stopped experimenting almost entirely.
I was off yesterday, maybe the only day off this month, but man what a nice day!!
Mike.

Inman Labs · 07-18-2008, 05:50 PM

Teofil:
Thanks...it explains it all.
How much $$$$ is that bad boy?
I have graphite tips or my older Dentaurum Assistant, what and why are they used for?
I learn something new every day....this site is great!

Regards,
Don

Teofil · 07-19-2008, 04:29 PM

@ Mike, thanks. My main profit comes from simple acrylic appliances too, it's no longer a challenge to make them. Experimenting brings much more joy

@ Don, I'm glad pictures are descriptive enough. I will post more detailed description when I get my hands on graphite add-ons. I was surprised how good it worked even with improvised way I used it. The process is really fast and it does almost no damage to the wire, unlike the flame that needs to be pointed correctly to avoid burning surrounding wire or acrylic.
I am not sure what's the price tag for it, I would guess it is around 3000 euros( that's like 5000$), I'll ask around to see how much it was. The hand electrodes and foot switch were 1300 euros (2060 $)!!! what a ripoff.
There are Master3000 , Assistant3000 and Junior 3000 from Dentaurum. You can see them here http://www.dentaurum.de/files/989-519-20.pdf. I think Junior 3000 would be enough for my needs, it has basic tack welding and soldering functions. Master3000 is overkill. We have two of them at school but nobody uses them except me.
Can you post pictures of your old Assistant, I'm sure it can be used for soldering too if it has graphite tips.

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Teofil Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgrade :) Age: 28 Posts: 57 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	Crozat powered by IPC Hello, here's my new toy This is an experiment...again. As you can see it's an hybrid appliance that utilizes the Inman Power Component to generate expansion force. @ Don : Thank you for the IPC's!!! This is not for an actual patient, it's done for demonstration purposes and practice. I hope some of my doctors will like it enough to try them. The Crozat book I got from Mike was very helpful, thanks MIKE!!! I would appreciate some ideas to make it better The wire I used was regular,much cheaper to practice with I had no 1,3 mm wire for the palatal arch wire, so I used 1mm except for the poorly manufactured Jackson crib The idea is to have an appliance that is comfortable to wear compared to standard acrylic plate. With non compliant patients it can be baned using occlusal rests on first molars and first bicuspids. The buccal arm is there because I had an idea to derotate second incisors using NiTi powered labial bow when enough space gained. The photos were taken by phone camera... sorry Last edited by Teofil : 07-14-2008 at 06:36 PM.

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labdude Stellar Patrol Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cascades in Oregon Age: 55 Posts: 885 Gallery: 16 Rating: 100% (4) Rep Power: 2	Nice stuff Teofil. In my old age I have stopped experimenting almost entirely. I was off yesterday, maybe the only day off this month, but man what a nice day!! Mike. __________________ McKenzie Ortho. 888-996-0522 P.O. Box 23 Vida, Or. 97488

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Inman Labs Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 69 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	Very interesting design and Wow your work is good! Your solder work is fantastic, you would be unstoppable with a laser welder. Don

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Inman Labs Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 69 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	The door to my lab would always be open to talent like yours! It is one think to have skill but to love and work hard on new ideas and strive for perfection sets you apart. I think Mike and Cade have it and probably many more that visit this site might but overall it is rare. I know you are young so I can't wait to see everything you develop while I am still around. Regards, Don

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trisha Supporter Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kansas City Missouri Age: 43 Posts: 284 Gallery: 5 Rating: 100% (1) Rep Power: 2	Wow! Really nice work. trisha

07-17-2008, 05:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
Teofil Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgrade :) Age: 28 Posts: 57 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	Thanks Trisha !

07-17-2008, 07:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Inman Labs Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 69 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	Teofil: Can you take me through the process of Electric Soldering, I have 0 experience with it but I am interested. Please take me step by step, for example do you use Flux....I am guessing no. Is the unit you use very $$, how great is it for resistant welding? regards, Don

07-18-2008, 12:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
Teofil Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgrade :) Age: 28 Posts: 57 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	Here's some pictures. I tried soldering with Master 3000 for the first time today. I still haven't got graphite extensions so I used the one designed for static welder setup. I am famous for my impatience I will comment on pictures later, I am off to a party now P.S. I use flux, thinned with distiled water

07-18-2008, 05:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Inman Labs Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 69 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	Teofil: Thanks...it explains it all. How much $$$$ is that bad boy? I have graphite tips or my older Dentaurum Assistant, what and why are they used for? I learn something new every day....this site is great! Regards, Don

07-19-2008, 04:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Teofil Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgrade :) Age: 28 Posts: 57 Gallery: 0 Rating: 0% (0) Rep Power: 1	@ Mike, thanks. My main profit comes from simple acrylic appliances too, it's no longer a challenge to make them. Experimenting brings much more joy @ Don, I'm glad pictures are descriptive enough. I will post more detailed description when I get my hands on graphite add-ons. I was surprised how good it worked even with improvised way I used it. The process is really fast and it does almost no damage to the wire, unlike the flame that needs to be pointed correctly to avoid burning surrounding wire or acrylic. I am not sure what's the price tag for it, I would guess it is around 3000 euros( that's like 5000$), I'll ask around to see how much it was. The hand electrodes and foot switch were 1300 euros (2060 $)!!! what a ripoff. There are Master3000 , Assistant3000 and Junior 3000 from Dentaurum. You can see them here http://www.dentaurum.de/files/989-519-20.pdf. I think Junior 3000 would be enough for my needs, it has basic tack welding and soldering functions. Master3000 is overkill. We have two of them at school but nobody uses them except me. Can you post pictures of your old Assistant, I'm sure it can be used for soldering too if it has graphite tips.