Shame on DentalTown Part 2

[TheLabGuy]

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This thread on Dental Town took off like wildfire over that lame ass article on how that Dentist was outsourcing to China. What's it become is a whole different type of monster. Words like bigot, racist, stereotypes, and this is from technicians to technicians.....okay, lets be clear, from brokers to technicians. I guess being a broker is some fancy word for saying you're not a technician anymore, just a business man. Hey, who am I to judge, but I find it funny as in most things that the one making such statements never come to a REAL technician website and voice their concerns. Is it because we have decorum here? or maybe it's because this is where REAL technicians hang out.

On another point about Dental Town, I didn't believe Dental Town could be such a marketing tool at first, I didn't. However, after our John here said something how he got some higher-end clients I took a chance and did a post with some pictures....and guess what, I did land a couple of accounts. So from that aspect, it's a great website, but just be prepared to stand by to get attacked from the brokers. So I guess what I'm saying is if you're looking for some more business, go do some posts on Dental Town........then duck and run like hell....lol Actually, if you're here, you're a real technician and not just trolling for a Dentist to outsource too and most likely don't need the work. I just throw it out there for some of the new folks. They have a huge orthodontic section......but I'd stay away from the Lab section, I mean "broker" section.

[labdude]

Exactly what I heard from the Bambi killer, you can easily aquire new business there. But at what cost?? You want to be like the rest of the "Go along to get along" bed wetters over there??
So what is this other site, Townie Central??
Before I came to this site, I had NO, ZERO, ZIP, NADA, interest in dental lab sites. Jay Emerzian told me of this site while at Astromart. It's been fun to be here.
Dental Town....I checked it out last year...found the song and dance for entry a pain in the ass for a dental site.
Never went in. I have heard enough about it here to know I would be very uncomfortable there, and most likely not last more than a day without being banned.
I don't need silly aggravation like that. If I have something to share, I don't want my thoughts ****ed with like they do there. I could say "messed with" or "censured" because some twit is slightly offended, like the Gross guy at Space Maintainers.
Here at this site you can post what you like, but, make darned sure it's true!!! Myself and others will persue you till a total and complete banning if you can to spread lies about anyone or anything!! Try me!! A few have.
Candy ass Dental Town, great for aquireing new business however....sometimes.
Oh my....hope I haven't hurt my reputation with those guys over there....
It is interesting here how little talk there is of the "outsourceing" issue.
I bet it is like you point out Rob, true lab people here, true realistic people here. Some of the least greedy and kind folks you will find anywhere. All though, a few of that type lurking here, looking for a buck, or a way to make an extra buck, and not share, just take.

[magushnik]

anyone know where i can find new dentists to work with?

[TheLabGuy]

Originally Posted by magushnik

anyone know where i can find new dentists to work with?

Seriously, just sign up with Dental Town and post a few pics you'll get some hits.

Mike, you should sign up just to school some of those folks over there.

[DMC]

Too big, I'd get banned in seconds.

[TheLabGuy]

Originally Posted by DMC

Too big, I'd get banned in seconds.

Been there, done that........

[Al.]

Originally Posted by labdude

Exactly what I heard from the Bambi killer

You want to see some good and dirty fights there are alot between the orthodontists and the GPs on DT.

This is what I call bite sized. You all can have your supersized meals I like mine petite.

[CloudPeakDL]

- I actually registered and read the whole thread. Not sure who really won the argument but I don't think I would care to post much over there myself.
Legitimate points made on both sides of the argument. Drs are going to chase a cheaper product if they are in a mind to do so. But Drs fall into two catagories just like technicians do; You either produce a good starting product and look for a quality technician to fabricate your prostheses or you start off with a crap impression and ask a lab tech to make you a miracle appliance. If your a technician hopefully your quality will allow you to weed out the crap doctors. However these dr still are in business and they have to find someone to put us with there crap so let them go to China. Sadly the patient is still the unsuspecting loser in this game. Take a poll -how many people really know who makes thier crown or appliance? I bet most think the Dr does it.
- I think I have a headache from reading all the trash talk on Townie and need to go to bed now.

[Al.]

Candi did you read the thread that Rob is talking about in the Cosmetic dentistry section? It was removed yesterday morning and rightfully so it was 6 pages and 300 posts.

It was started buy a Dr telling other Drs to use Domestic labs and not Chinese labs.
It turned into a pissing contest between me and Rob and Mark Jackson and a few US drs and an Austrailian Dr vs some US brokers of of shore labs and some of their Drs and a Dr in a big chain pratice that uses exclusivly China labs.
Some idiot Dr tried to prove to me he was an expert on China because he visited there for 2 weeks and had a Chinese friend. This guy posted a pic of his passport and wanted me to do the same. He had all his personal info on his passport and he called ME and "sucker".
These brokers were saying that there is no reason to use US labs because they are overpriced and their quality is not up to the quality of the Chinese labs.
One guy posted pics so I posted pics and it almost turned into a crown challenge, I didnt want to go down that road so I posted pics of my opinion of quality besides just anatomy but occlusion, framework designs etc and case presentations to call them out on what they call their superior quality. But they wont do it, they wont post pics of their work in the mouth they just try to build up their china labs buy bashing us.
Then it turned nasty with the rascist stuff like US KKK labs and I quit and they removed
the thread.
Right now 20% of all work is going off shore and they predict it to increase to 40% soon.
They are selling nice porc to precious metal crns for $79 a unit.

Every US lab needs to find its niche. Get more productive and do excelent quality. Go either high end which is hard or become very productive and start pumping out $90-120 crns. Or stay in the middle and make up the difference buy providing an excelent service with rush cases and shade checks and showing your face in their offices and becoming a part of their team. Be professional dont do like they do in some of these backward states like Oregon and show up with stars in your eyes and horse poop between your toes.
I will say this, there is a huge market for $100 pfms and $120 emax. If you learn to produce quality and do it very fast there is ALOT of money in it.

The prediction from experts( whoever they are) is that 50% of domestic labs will be closed soon, I think like within 10 yrs. Part of that is from Old Farts like Labdude retiring and no young wippersnappers like Rob and Charles and myself are replacing them.

But right now there is alot of work out there and not enough labs to do it so everybody get serious about your trade!

Al

[charles007]

So true Al

[TheLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Al.

But right now there is a lot of work out there and not enough labs to do it so everybody get serious about your trade!

Al

AMEN!!!!

I'm always up for a verbal challenge, and those clowns over there at Dental Town were doing only one thing......trying to make dignified American technicians look bad. Plain and simple.......they are brokers (not technicians) and that's their sole purpose, that way they can get more accounts. They're only on Dental Town to get accounts, it isn't to gain knowledge, if that was the case you'd see them on other forums. Now, Candi, you gotta admit, Al and myself were much more enjoyable to read than the brokers?....lol

Talking about upping your game........I wanna show you something I think Al forgot to post over here. If you haven't seen this, you will be totally blown away. When Al says to step up your game, he isn't lying.....because this might be one the most prettiest examples of dental laboratory I've ever seen... Check it out.....

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Told ya so!!!!! Great work Al.....

[CloudPeakDL]

Al, Yes I that is the post I read, glad I finished it before it disapeared. Very ugly.
We have had some heated discussions on this site but I hope it never gets to that point.

[CloudPeakDL]

Beautiful work Al. I think you could drop your local accounts and do just fine with high end mail.

[CYNOSURER]

When they start calling you a bigot and a racist just because you disagree with the way China allows business to operate then you know reason has left the arguement

[TheLabGuy]

Originally Posted by CYNOSURER

When they start calling you a bigot and a racist just because you disagree with the way China allows business to operate then you know reason has left the arguement

Isn't that the truth........

[labdude]

Exactly Tim.
I wonder and would be interested to know in the future, about how well these new clients pay their bills. Let us know guys. I have dealt with numerous clients over the years that start out great, then turn to crap.
I've been at a point for many years now, where I am privileged to work for the finest clients in the field of Orthodontics, in the U.S.
Threads here that get "rowdy" will not be deleted. They speak loudly of the participants. It is the participants that may find themselves on a short "vacation" after the thread maxis out. A person here can be placed out anywhere form a 1 day, to a permanent "vacation".
I do like those disscussions that are "edgey".
However......I don't think a lot of lab techs have the BALLS to state their cases (off shore and otherwise) as they fear they may loose some precious business from some client.
Mike.

[TheLabGuy]

Originally Posted by labdude

However......I don't think a lot of lab techs have the BALLS to state their cases (off shore and otherwise) as they fear they may loose some precious business from some client.
Mike.

Oh, I'm not sure about that..........I think Al and myself raised some hell with the brokers. It's just technicians and brokers getting into a pissing contest.......and when it's in front of possible clients........it makes you wonder if you're doing the right thing or just damaging your reputation, but on the other hand if you're passionate (like myself) about it.....well, let it out, speak your mind, be bold, tell all, before we both grow old and need tylenol.......their, I rhymed for you all....lol

[labdude]

Yes you guys are upfront, I didn't mean you 2.
Lets see...damaging a reputation...you have to ask yourself, with who, and how??
If you are correct, there should be no fear in speaking your mind. Be open to find out you may not be correct. Don't lay silent if you just fear placing an opposing opinion, because you might upset someone somehow.
Anyones opinion is valued here, as is positive or negative feedback etc. on given things or ideas.
If you have a client who is going to be upset because you feel differently about something, but still do that something the way they ask, that client is not one you want to keep for long. It is certainly one you can not count on for the long haul.
Pissing contests happen, when it gets to the point of name calling or just plain belittleing a person, or racism etc., that's to far. Moderators will step in.
If you feel something is out of line don't hesitate to let me or another moderator know.
And don't be afraid to speak your mind here.
Don Inman and I have had a go around, he left for a while, now he's back and we get along well. It was mostly about Orthodontists and GPs, and things concerned with that area.
Made me a kinder and gentler dude......so long as I get enough sleep.

[TheLabGuy]

Originally Posted by labdude

Pissing contests happen, when it gets to the point of name calling or just plain belittleing a person, or racism etc., that's to far. Moderators will step in.

Don Inman and I have had a go around, he left for a while, now he's back and we get along well. It was mostly about Orthodontists and GPs, and things concerned with that area.
Made me a kinder and gentler dude......so long as I get enough sleep.

Yep, I've been out of line and said I'm sorry......remember me giving Trisha a hard time? I was wrong and said so but I didn't delete it.....It's good to be passionate about things but sometimes you get frustrated and let loose, but you're right Mike, you gotta keep your own emotions in check, for how are you ever going to try to change someone else's if you can't keep your own in check.....

[labdude]

Rob,
I see your posted thaqt darn link to login again over at Townie.
So I look at it again.
How about you copy and paste something from over there???
If it's like this site, you can copy and paste from here to there.
Unless they might wet the bed over something like that.
Maybe I'm just old, I have no interest in signing on to other sites. This one is enough for the dental stuff. I signed up at another Astro site last month, went there maybe 3 times. I like the 1 where I go regularly, don't want more.
As for other dental sites, anyone worth reading a post from, or viewing pictures from, will post here. If not now, soon.
We are here to take over the entire fiels as the #1 site for honest free speach, unhindered by any form of anything that might upset someone, just because.....they're old.....they've been at it for a long time.....they just plain deserve respect....
None of that.
Reality here please, disscussion that is open for both sides without fear of having posts deleted is what we do here. Again, however, keep name calling etc., out of it.
Mike.